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Tuesday, 04/17/2012, 06:48 am

Teammate vs. Teammate Debate With The Iceman

By Roberto Mattos:
Should teammates fight? For some, this question can be a difficult one to answer. Training with someone day in and day out, they become more than just your team. They become your family. Even though you may want to d’arce choke your brother sometimes, stepping into the octagon against him may seem excessive. Unless, of course, you’re the Iceman.

In a recent interview on the MMA Hour, Liddell shared his opinion on the whole Jones v. Evans/ teammate v. teammate debate.

“If (a teammate) can beat me, they can beat me. It is what it is. They deserve to fight me then. I’m not going to hold back some guy that’s in my camp if he wants to fight me. That’s not my thing. It’s just a personal choice and a personal opinion, but I think eventually, hey you guys are going at it, then go out and have two beers together afterwards. Go out there and prove who’s best that day, and go out and be friends again.”

Sounds easy enough, and really- isn’t that what we’re fighting for? If someone in your camp wins the belt in your division, you should be happy for him but at the same time he is now your target. If you’re not fighting to be the best, then why are you fighting? Should a fighter wait until his teammate loses and then hope they get to challenge the new champ?

When you’ve built up a stable as elite as Greg Jackson has, it seems a bit naive to not think somewhere down the line teammates aren’t going to face off. While I can see how it can a bit awkward from the coach’s standpoint, from the fighters position it’s a no brainer –punch your friend in the face, winner buys drinks after. What kind of man would beat someone up and then make them buy him a drink? That’s just mean.

So what say you, MMA aficionados? Would you fight a teammate? Would you do it only if there was a title or contender spot up for grabs?


38 Responses to “Teammate vs. Teammate Debate With The Iceman”

  1. Mike says:

    Of course team mates should fight. Anyone that would say no to a title fight is crazy. The end.

    • Team buffalo says:

      Then maybe you should go kick your brothers ass and take his shine.

      • Shawn says:

        I would fight my own brother, and he would fight me if a title was in the line. And we are best friends, and will be still afterwards. Thats how real friends endure. Nothing gets in the way of friendship. Including punching each other in the face. Lol

  2. Tapout A Warrior says:

    The “Iceman” comes from a period of MMA/UFC when fights were important and not win loss records. The whole camp thing is silly, you know going in if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. Some times they are your friends and partners,such is life. This new age of points and safe fights make the pioneers of the sport outdated. Rampage, Wanderlei, Tito etc all fighters, not point fighters.

    • Team buffalo says:

      Your right it doesn’t matter if you when or lose as long as you come to fight and leave it all in the cage or ring. That deserves respect. These silly ass point fighters would get boo’d out the building in Japan.

  3. nobody cares says:

    for a title only

  4. lex walker says:

    Chuck is the g.o.a.t str8 up

  5. Hitman says:

    Why not fight each other? Even fighters that are not friends, end up hugging, shaking hands and congratulating each other at the end of the fight. So if two friends fight each other, would’nt it make their friendship stronger when its over? I say fight ’em! They’ll end up at the club at the end of the night.

  6. T.DADDY says:

    well said sir….

  7. Rondo says:

    That is just mean…..Chuck……lmao!

  8. runner32 says:

    I think it depends on the mindset of the camp. It seems that wrestlers are open to it more than the traditional martials arts guys. I’m kinda suprised Rashad is the way he is about fighting jones. I think most of the drama for this fight is manufactured and i’d bet money they hug it out after the fight.

  9. kermit da dogg says:

    Heck yea team mates should fight each other. The Rocker’s Marty Jannety and Shawn Michaels fought each other.

  10. Nojoja71 says:

    I agree with Iceman. Your in it to win it, no matter who is in your way. I come from a wrestling back ground and I have challenged my friend for the starting position and won and lost, but that’s the game. We all what to the best we can be, to bask in the glory and sometimes your friend is I the way, so tell’ um “COME GET SOME”

  11. DICK VAN DICK says:

    WHO HASNT FOUGHT THEIR BROTHER?? I mean real blood same mother same father brother??? for the most part WE ALL HAVE…and you still love each other right??? So now u train with a guy and you wont fight him???? This is the UFC and that F stands for FIGHTING so if you dont wanna fight then may I suggest the Chess Club….

  12. guamy says:

    MMA isnt a wrestling or a BJJ competition. people rarley get hurt in wrestling or bjj comp, unless you get matched against palhares. we dont want to see another pat barry mirko cro cop fight.

  13. WAAAARRRRR!!! says:

    Hey, you ALL have a goal to be a champion at SOME point in the fight game, otherwise, what they hell are you doing choosing fighting as a career???? Since you kick each other’s asses in the dojo, WTF is wrong with doing it so the public can see, you can both make lots of money, AND win a title doing it in the process??!!! It is the goal of these warriors (male or female) to W-I-N. So, have at it, and the winner buys the drinks AND a meal for the loser. 😉 Then, back to the gym to do it all over again! LOL

  14. Alex says:

    The Iceman!!!!!!

  15. GreenBelt says:

    Absolutely Positively Accurate!!! Team Mates Should fight. Its competition. They are professionals. they do not hate the person they are fighting as a matter of fact they GROW in respect in many cases AFTEr they fight. To not want to fight a team mate is to be afraid of the outcome. If there is any love LOSS then there was no true love to begin with.

  16. Yea teammates should i cant tell u how many times me n my cousins n family just go out back n throw sum hands….lets quit being pussies n knuckle up

  17. Roberto says:

    It’s absurd to rationalize the scenario of why teammates shouldn’t fight one another. You’re a professional athlete and competing against opponent(s) that are family or friend is at times necessary. This holds true in all professional sports. The Manning brothers won’t compete against each other because they’re family? Above all, professional athletes must exhibit the utmost respect for the principles of sportsmanship. The situation between Jones, Rashad and Jackson has developed bad blood. Greg Jackson should have handled this sensitive matter differently to minimize any animosity amongst all involved.

  18. rehf10MMA says:

    It is ok to fight a teammate, it is not ok to disrespect a teammate, MMA is not about fighting because you don’t like your opponent or because you want to kick hiss ass…it is about fighting for honor and to prove yourself and your skills. Fight your teammate, friend, brother, etc. hugh him after the fight and say “Great fight, bro!” and that’s it! Don’t put a media circus with trash talking and all that kind of stuff that goes against martial arts ancient traditions and legacy.

  19. dante040 says:

    Your in this business to be the best. That means having to fight the best. If the best are your teammates then fight your teammates

  20. Matt says:

    Never mind fighting teammates, I was once in a submission grappling tournament and landed having to fight my coach. He beat me and straight after the fight we went to the training mats so he could show me where I went wrong.

  21. mzel says:

    to be the best you gotta beat the best, nuff said

  22. San Da FC says:

    Teammates should only fight each other if the two are comfortable in doing so. It should be between them, not for the promotion to “force” them to fight. Those who actually train know this, you don’t want a situation where all the training partners are gunning for each other. You need to have complete trust with your teammates and expect they aren’t training to beat you one day.

  23. James says:

    Chuck is a beast who would have fought ANYONE if there was titles or glory on the line.

  24. Shawn says:

    I think for most that are oppose to fighting teammates, are just afraid to face the other afterwards, win or lose. Especially losing.

  25. Blade says:

    Me and my older brother are fighters. We decided to train at 2 different gyms just so we could one day fight each other, but even if we were on the same team I would fight him and aim to hurt him. I know he wouldn’t pull any punches and neither would I, but I know at the end of the day when we go home we’ll have dinner and maybe have a shot or 2 of vodka .

  26. MuckFir says:

    There are plenty of friends in the NFL, what happens if they al ldecide the ydont wanna tackle each other? So tired of all the teammate fighting whinyness, you dont have to hate a guy to fight him when your JOB is to fight whoever the fuck dana white and joe silva tell you to fight. Last time i checked, MMA is technically not a “team” sport

  27. David says:

    I’d fight a teammate even if there wasn’t a belt at steak. Hell, I’ve done it before in HS in wrestling. Guys who I saw 8hrs every day outside of practice, then an additional 2-3 during practice for 4 years, we’ve had to go up against each other because we were in the same division. Just put friendship aside for that brief span you’ll be competing against each other, and go at it.

    Fighters need to learn that EVERYONE in their weight class, is a potential opponent at any given time. Not just the champion. It can include friends, relatives, gymmates, what have you. At the end of the day, you’re both fighters trying to provide a better life for yourself, and your family. And sometimes people who you call friends, teammates, etc… may cross paths with you on the way to the top. They also need to realize, that they live in a world that the promoters control, and that if they won’t take an opportunity, there is ALWAYS someone waiting in the wings who will. So you should take those opportunities when they come up, even if it is at a friend’s, teammate’s, or gymmate’s expense, because opportunities in MMA are few and far in between.

  28. Guamy says:

    would you have a problem with breaking your buddys arm or leg if he refused to tap?
    besides thier are many other people to fight that arent on your team or part of your family. stay true to your team and to your family, dont let money break a rift in your friendship or brotherhood. what if you cause brain hemorage that leaves your friend brain damaged or cause your friend sevre damage and he can not compete anymore? would you want that on your mind? plenty of fish out there to fry dont

  29. RitualOfWar says:

    I thinks its easier to fight a friend rather than a enemy but harder to get over. If your on the losing end. It will haunt you.

  30. Charty suck it! says:

    The ICEMAN towing the company line

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