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Wednesday, 11/16/2011, 07:52 am

UFC NEWS – Bas Rutten Holds Nothing Back When Talking About The Overeem/Golden Glory Situation


They say there are three sides to every story, side A, side B and the truth that lies somewhere in the middle.

For all intents and purposes, Bas Rutten wants you to know the truth that lies in the middle of the Alistair Overeem vs. Golden Glory dispute and he pulls no punches when discussing it with paullazenby.com.

Rutten has long been known to have very strong ties with the Golden Glory team that he shares his native home with and as such, his recount of events is probably as close to the truth as one might hope to get.

While we cannot confirm this to be 100% factual, “El Guapo” has one of those faces you can’t help but trust and as such I’ll share it and leave it to our readers to decide who is right, if anyone, in this whole situation.

“Oh no, you didn’t go there! (laughs) I thought that if nobody asks, I won’t say anything, but now that you ask me I have to! It’s been bothering me a lot! OK, here I go.

It’s a money thing. He simply doesn’t want to pay the people who made him. When he lost three fights in a row…well, like pretty much five, I mean, he lost, won, lost three times in a row, won, and lost again…and nobody wanted to have him.

But his management kept pushing and using the power that they have because they have other great fighters. Like, for example: “If you want Semmy Schilt to fight, then you have to take Alistair as well.”

It’s funny how fighters think. When it goes bad with them, their team is everything to them, and they love their team. In interviews after they win a fight, they say: “I owe everything to my team”. Then when the management starts to put great fights together for them, directing their careers and the fighter gets better and better, some of them simply can’t handle it, and it gets to their head.

I had a bad feeling already when he called himself, after he won the K-1 Grand Prix, a “legend”. He actually said in an interview right after he won: “I am a legend now”. I don’t think a fighter can ever make that comment about himself.

And talking about the Grand Prix, let’s face it, he had a great deal of luck as well there. He fought Peter Aerts who had a WAR with Semmy Schilt [previously that night] and was completely banged up, and then he fought [Gokhan] Saki, who had a broken arm AND hand, in the finals! At that moment when you win, you should say: “I’m very happy with the result, the stars were in line for me tonight, I also got a little bit of luck”. Because everybody is going to say that about you anyway, you might as well simply say it yourself to keep the people respecting you, but NOT: “I’m a legend”.

I KNOW what Golden Glory did for him. He couldn’t punch or kick when he came to them, and I mean, HE COULDN’T PUNCH OR KICK! Some fighters get big and then forget who was fighting for them when they were losing. Two months ago, he wanted to make a belt for the Golden Glory team with “FOR CHAMPION MANAGEMENT” engraved on it. Those were HIS words after they made this huge contract for him, and now he says they are morons? He used them to negotiate the best deal and when they did it, now suddenly they are morons? Explain that to me. It’s unreal.

Also, a few months ago, when they started to get close to a good deal with the UFC, he realized that he could make a lot of money. The first thing he did was go to Cor Hemmers, his striking coach, and tried to renegotiate the 10% trainer’s fee.

You have to understand, [a deal like Alistair's UFC contract] is a dream for trainers, because there is a possibility that they create, with the help from management of course, a fighter who can make some REAL money for them. Because let’s face it, most trainers don’t live in a huge house, don’t drive a big car, they do it for the love of the fighter they train. They put their whole heart and soul in there.

When a fighter’s lost three in a row, and there is no hope for him, the trainer is always there for him, helping him again and again, and the management is trying to find fights for him. Understand as well that trainers like Cor Hemmers and Martijn de Jong are busy with the fighter 24 hours a day. I talked to Cor in the past and he told me he couldn’t sleep from all the tension, and about thinking: “What’s the best game plan for Alistair?” Also know that when Alistair [first] came to Cor, when he would get hit, he would turn his back to his opponent and didn’t want to fight! You saw that when he fought his first K-1 fight in Holland, it was very bad. And when he was losing, [his trainers] were the ones who convinced him to go heavyweight since he was cutting way too much [to make light-heavyweight].

He tries to let the rest of the world think that the coaches and other fighters are on his side, and that it’s only the management he has problems with. But that is absolutely NOT the case. I mean, go to Cor Hemmers’ gym and look at the posters with pictures of Alistair on there, see what his fellow fighters did to them.

And you know what he said to Martijn? I know this because I talked with Martijn personally three days ago. When he told Martijn he didn’t want to pay the 10% trainer’s fee–and remember, Cor and Martijn SPLIT the 10%, so it’s not 20% in total–Martijn told him that he was there with him for TWELVE YEARS, and that they trained him for so long and went through the ups and downs, especially the downs. And on top of that, he said that he was Alistair’s friend this whole time, and made a big contribution to Alistair’s success.

But Alistair said: “Yeah, if we have to talk about people who contributed to my success, then I also have to mention my cleaning lady who cleans my house for eleven and a half Euros an hour.”

OK, just think about that for a second. It’s almost like it’s not real. I mean, he REALLY said this! I wouldn’t tell you if it wasn’t the truth, you know me, Paul.

Just the fact that he uses the words “trainer” and “cleaning lady” in the same sentence is so disrespectful. And his new offer to Martijn was LESS THAN ONE PERCENT! Plus then of course Martijn has to see if he actually gets it. I said this before–normally Golden Glory gets the money from promoters in THEIR account. THEY pay the trainers, sparring partners, the fighters and their own fee of course, and this way, everybody who needs to get paid, gets paid! Oh, and many times [Golden Glory] would pay also for extra tickets to the fight, like flights to Japan or America, for the fighter’s girlfriend or other friends. They would pay their hotel room, food, everything.

When the UFC said that they wanted to give the check directly to the fighter and not to the management, I already felt the problem coming. I right away thought: “Nobody is gonna get paid”. You can actually find that in my long tweet about Golden Glory in the past that many people read. I wrote it when it happened, and sure enough, that’s what happened, nobody got their money.

Well, I take that back. From the first check that Alistair personally got, he did pay his trainers 1.5% instead of the 10% that they should have got! So, as example, if the 10% trainer’s fee would have been $20,000, Alistair paid $2,500 and still owes $17,500.

And people wonder why Golden Glory wants it first in their account–well, there you have it, so that EVERYBODY who helped the fighter gets paid! They [allowed direct payment to the fighter] ONE time and it went right away wrong, also with another fighter on that card by the way, so the proof is in the pudding.

Martijn also should have gotten a percentage of the sponsor money, but didn’t get anything from that as well. Needless to say, after the “cleaning lady” comment and the “less then 1%” offer, Martijn declined to be [Alistair's] trainer in the future.

Listen, if you leave your old crew, and have a NEW trainer, who comes in NOW after all the real work is done, then YES, you can make a different deal with him, which is exactly what Alistair did now. And since he knew that his management and the Golden Glory guys were not gonna take his new deal, he simply left them and came up with this whole story that’s unfolding now.

And I am 100% sure, if he wanted to renegotiate the 20% management fee that he was paying before, [Golden Glory] would have done that in an instant. They would have understood that with a big contract like this, they could take a lesser fee if he really thought they didn’t deserve it.

But instead he complains in public about paying 35% of his money, which is another thing! People say, “Oh, 35% is a lot of money, he shouldn’t do that!” First of all, it’s 30%. He ASKED to make it 35% to get a break on TAXES…but that’s another crazy story. But it’s 30%, ALWAYS been 30%

Alistair actually called me to explain his side of the story. The only thing I told him was: “If I was you, I would read all the e-mails [that your trainers and management] send to you, because everything is in there. They did NOT try to scam you.” He said: “Yeah, but there was talk about a lot of money that they would get half from.” This is an outside payment, by the way, not part of his contract or a signing bonus or anything. It was supposed to go half to him, with a group of people who helped him a LOT in the past each getting a share of the other half. He said: “I found out by accident, by accident”–he said it twice–“that they would get half, and we are talking about a lot of money.”

I said: “I know what money you talk about, because [Golden Glory] even told me, and they NEVER told me to not to tell you about it. So again, if I were you, I would read the e-mails, it’s all in there.”

But once a fighter has it in his head that he is being screwed, people around him fuel those thoughts. They say: “Yeah, don’t pay 30% to the trainers, management and sparring partners. YOU made them, not the other way around.” And these are people who weren’t there when Alistair had his bad streak, the 5 losses in 7 fights. No, a bunch of these guys showed up when he started winning.

And if you say that many times enough to a fighter, then eventually they start thinking like that. And he actually said this to his management last month: “I made the team. Because of ME, the team is so good”. Well, if he still thinks that after reading everything I just said to you, then I am actually happy that [he and Golden Glory] broke up, because that is NOT a friend or team member.

This is my side of the story and both Alistair and I know this is 100% the truth. He hurt my friends emotionally, and then on top of everything he starts writing bad about THEM?! Wow. Cor Hemmers even had to go to the hospital with heart problems TWICE since this whole thing has started, and he never had any problems like that before. And Ron Nyqvist, my good friend, was really emotional about it. He said to me: “I don’t care about the money Bas, you know that, it’s really not about that. He just really hurt us all. The whole team, everybody.” I could hear it in his voice, it got to him, it really did, and that’s why I tell you this.”


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58 Comments to UFC NEWS – Bas Rutten Holds Nothing Back When Talking About The Overeem/Golden Glory Situation

  1. magoo says:

    Overeems a dirty rat bastard!

  2. Roofgod says:

    I think Bas should spend a little time at Deathclutch the next month and help Brock with some standup fighting. Reem is a great fighter and appears to be a person making some bad decisions. I predict a severe mauling in his future. Karma baby!

  3. Snooks says:

    It’s super important to have someone around that keeps you humble. Sometimes it isn’t always the right decision to make someone feel good about themselves (in a fighting atmosphere) all the time. Not to make a judgement call on Golden Glory, one of the best goddamn gyms out their!

  4. mick says:

    welp…now i want brock to win lol

  5. Dante says:

    crazy..
    bas is the man!

  6. Rafi Bomb, homie says:

    Damn. To think I was rooting for him to take out Brock. Fuck you, Reem.

  7. ThaGreenBandit says:

    In his interviews, there is something about him that comes across in a way that I can’t see myself out right rooting for this guy. Glad I read this interview. Dude seems to be a guy who very quickly forgets the people who helped him out. Hope his intro to the octagon is a brutal and humbling one. Bust that ass and make him eat humble pie, Brock!

  8. Does every body still think Alistair is a nice,cool,humble dude?

  9. Mistabutts says:

    So now we just have a pair of assholes fighting for title contention. WAR JDS kick the winners ass!

  10. momo says:

    I hate this because if reem was in the room bas would be singing a different tune i wish golden glory, the ufc, and their fight where in a room with cameras because you know there is truth to bas’s words and truth to the reem’s words just like some of what they are saying is has no truth to it.

    • MJJ says:

      momo, you clearly have no idea who Bas is, he is one of the most honest and real people there is, and hell no Bas fears no one, I have been to seminars he has done even before he started his Bas Rutten fighting system, he did alot of work with Krav Maga, and there is a difference from being a fighter for sport and someone who trains lethal self-defense, Bas would say it to Reems face believe me.

      • momo says:

        dont say things like you dont know who bas is like only the hardcore fans know who he is and im not a hardcore fan. i watched most of his KOP fights and his UFC fights i also always watch his interviews but you need to learn what BIASED is. bas is really really close to golden glory he was all team Reem and min ago but now he hates him what has changed oh there is no golden glory. He attack anyone who hates on golden glory and that is the case now dont forget the Reem put golden glory back on the map.

        • MJJ says:

          I share mutual friends with Bas Rutten, and have met and trained with him and you shouldn’t challenge his character or heart”if reem was in the room Bas would be singing a differen’t tune” You don’t know the man to make that charge.

  11. Justa Thought says:

    “Be careful who you piss on on your way up the ladder, you may meet them again on your way back down.” …Ozzy Osbourne

  12. Bovice says:

    Bas is a golden glory guy, you guys will believe anything.. Well my dick says open wide, Do It !

  13. mike f says:

    Why would Bas say anything bad about GG. He still has close contacts with them. And personally 10% to train seems like a lot. I mean Overeem probably makes a million a year, so the trainer get 100k, not to mention he probably trains 5 other guys.

    • xtian17 says:

      the thing is that alistar fights in mma and used to fight in k-1.
      100k for a trainer? hell no! but you see he also competes in MMA.
      so he needs a striking coach,wrestling coach,jiu jitsu…strength and conditioning, etc…you get the point..

  14. Zack says:

    It’s funny how media controls people. One minute Ur swinging on someone’s nuts then you betray him. All you people are just like alistair.

  15. Overeem better straighten his affairs up or it’ll come around and bite u in the dick! Big money and big contracts ..pay the Lil people that help u get where you are now.

  16. HawaiianG says:

    Bas has always come across as endearing and earnest. It was interesting when Dana commented on Golden Glory’s way of collecting the checks rather than paying the fighter first, as if Golden Glory was holding back compensation from the fighter. Now with Bas’ comments, its the fighter holding back from the team. It does make it difficult to root for Overeem.

  17. Enscribe says:

    Poor Golden Glory, now they don’t have a money making fighter at all. With M-1 going down to the dumps, GG really had no room to negotiate. Is it messed up that AO didn’t WANT to pay his trainers, yes. But if you were that rich and you found out about a clause or whatever in you’re contract where your management was taking money you had no idea about…..for 1-12 years!…..you’d feel like you were getting screwed too. Honestly AO needed a new training camp, Holland is not the hub of MMA training and knowledge, Vegas is.

  18. marquezqwasrobbed says:

    Bas has gone into a lot of detail about this topic so I doubt it’s bull. I hope Brock wins now.

  19. Q dog says:

    10% is a standard management fee in general. I don’t understand why there’s a problem with it. IF Bas’ statements are true, and Golden Glory is doing everything he claims, then Overeem’s an ass.

    Golden Glory made Overeem a good fighter, not the other way around. His record and early fights prove it.

    Any other management company would make you pay for your own expenses and still charge you 10% for getting the work. I think 10% is fair.

    I guess it’s true that “money changes everything”.

  20. Omar says:

    overeem is still 1 of my favorite fighters even after reading this interview,but thats pretty shady bcuz team golden glory made him who he is 2day,u can tell that da fame got 2 him just by da he walks n talks,when he talks u can see his cockyness n arrogance

  21. henry Kobasky says:

    Apparently, it doesn’t take much for people to take away their support from a fighter who, they were supporting moments earlier. How easily swayed, and weak-minded some people are. Just because there is a lot of detail included in Bas’ assertions, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s all credible.
    Bas is even suggesting that Overeem gave Cor Hemmers HEART CONDITION! I’m not an Overeem fan, but this article should be taken with a grain of salt.

  22. Dosan says:

    Ah…you gotta love money!

  23. Ninjaman says:

    If Overeem ws in the room while Bas was saying this stuff Bas would have got off his stool, turned up side down and made Overeem sit down and enjoy the ride. Bas is the toughest man alive (offical Chuck Norris Bodyguard)!

  24. Long-Strong says:

    Sigh… I think these salaries need to go up and perhaps a system that will insure that all deserving parties get their share.

  25. Goonch says:

    As far as the whole paying the fighter first thing, I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here.
    First, the fighter is the one doing the work. They make or break their success. Trainers can tell everyone the same things, but not everyone will succeed. The trainers and people who help him definitely deserve to get paid though. There will be no argument from me against that. However, I think services like that should be a set amount, not a percentage. I personally feel that trainers shouldn’t be rewarded just because someone who works hard and has more talent happens upon them.
    That would bring up the question though, shouldn’t trainers and management be paid more if they are much better at their job than others, subsequently creating better fighters?
    My response to that is that if trainers are good at their job, then they will be valued over others and fighters will come to them. If their value is high, then they can reasonably charge more. What’s to stop lucky trainers less qualified than others from leeching off superior athletes?
    While I can’t say whether or not Alistair is handling this correctly (as I don’t know the real truth of the situation), I do believe fighters should be paid directly, and make their decisions on how to use it to further their career. After all, it isn’t the management going into the UFC, it’s Alistair. Their job is still the same.

    • Pochizzle says:

      Because then when fighters did bad and didn’t have the money, they would be forced to quit their dream..

      • Goonch says:

        If you are talented enough, and work hard enough, you will get good enough to get your foot in the door. The basics of MMA aren’t kept secret by the few trainers that are the best. One can’t get real benefit from high level training until they have mastered the basics.

  26. Creature says:

    Well im still rooting for Reem lol.

    1. I think Bas is just backing up his friends like any decent would so hes prolly exaggerating some of this or keeping some details out of the loop.

    2. A lot of what Bas is saying is only based on “he said this, and he said that” he doesnt actually KNOW that this is all 100% true. Only thing he knows is what a friend told him, keep in mind a friend who just lost a HUGE chunk of revenue and is prolly pissed as hell, and could very likely be trying to hurt Reems rep.

    This could all be true and Reem is shady as hell, or it could be GG being the shady ones, truth is no one actually knows for sure except Reem and GG.

  27. Xaninho says:

    In the beginning of this interview there’s a quote saying:” …there are three sides to every story, side A, side B and the truth that lies somewhere in the middle.”

    Bas Rutten, who I hold in the highest regards, is giving just the side of Golden Glory in this interview. I’m not saying he is intentionally telling lies, BUT a large part of it is hear-say from people out of camp GG.

    I believe he truly thinks they are speaking the honest truth, BUT do they?

    He was never a part of these disputes, never a part of the contract negotiations, never has he read the contracts. So again he might THINK he’s telling the truth, but this is certainly NOT the irrefutable truth.

    • Shane says:

      Man everyone got me thinking bad of Alistair he is my favourite fighter and seems like he is straight foward but thank Xaninho for bringing me back!!

    • mrsoulo says:

      Very well put.

      One thing i must state is that in the world of entertainment and sports the entertainer or athlete is ALWAYS the LAST to get paid.

      The payment structure for athletes is as follows:
      1. Agent
      2. Management
      3. Trainers, sparring partners, coaches, etc. (This is almost always paid out by management from athletes’ money)
      4. Expenses (cash advances, gym fees, flights, hotel accommodations, food, rent, transportation, nutritionist, massages, therapy, etc…basically all costs that were incurred by management on behalf of the athlete)
      5. Athlete.

      The payment structure for Entertainers/Artists is as follows:
      1. Agent
      2. Management
      3. Road Manager, Bodyguards, Dancers, Musicians, stylists, make-up, hair, bus driver, tour bus rental, etc.
      4. Production
      5. Expenses (cash advances, flights, hotel accommodations, food, rent, transportation, publicists, etc…basically all costs that were incurred by management on behalf of the Artist/Entertainer)
      6. Entertainer/Artist

      This is the way it’s always been with very few exceptions to the rule.

    • Jerome says:

      You are wrong, Bas is a high member of Golden Glory, and if you look at past instances you would see that Bas did play a part in the contracts, Reem even said he did, but in his interview Bas never mentioned any of the accusations between him and the Reem, so it is either,
      A. Bas is trying to change the subject to make his statements look like the truth
      B. Bas never read Reem’s statement
      C. Bas didn’t care because the Reem straight up lies

      I really don’t see B, or C being what went on simple because why would you try to tell the “TRUTH” and then not mention how Reem lied about the “TRUTH TELLER”, and also you need to look at it like this, if he was telling the truth, how could one person fool so many people for so long, and why did Zuffa have such a problem with how Golden Glory paid their fighters??

  28. MMFT says:

    who cares what he does out of the ring. I care what he does in the CAGE BABY!!!

    • MMFT says:

      and even though he did some douchey things, I’d still way rather see brock get handled than him get little baby hammerfists to the face for three rounds.

  29. Anthony says:

    I like Bas – but this is just the story he has heard from the GG team. Hardly a third perspective on this topic!
    I, especially, liked the part where he suggested the Overeem situation gave someone a heart condition…

    … 100% truth?!

  30. brandon thomas says:

    Bas is a great guy but I agree with mmft who cares as long as he tko’s Brock and then jds and if REEM and bas don’t like it SUPER FIGHT DANA BAS VS REEM

  31. ANDYBOY says:

    yea cuz Brock didn’t call himself the best HW in the world after 1 win…….and then disrespectfully talk s*** to Miller Light ON AIR LIVE for not sponsoring him and advertise the UFC’s main sponors rival!!!!!!!!!!…..yea i’m glad we have fans like all of you! root for Brock and cry when he gets retired after 6 fights hahahahahahahaha
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  32. Jerome says:

    Damn a new low to haters on this site. Bas says something and it is coming from god???? People really look at Bas, he IS golden glory! The Reem even stated many of his problems were from Bas, I have been in the fight game for a while, I have never had to pay 30% for management, NEVER it has always been like 20%, the 10% for the trainers is about right. Most fighters have a 60/40 split the other 10% usually goes to sparing partners and corner men during the fight. But if you look at Bas and his numbers, how would any of you like to go into a cage, pay 30% to your management, 10% to your trainers, 10% to 15% to your corner men and training partners, so lets say that is 50/50 split then don’t forget to take out the taxes, because the 50/50 split is pre tax on the GROSS amount, not the NET amount so in actuality you are getting like a 65/35 split after you pay for everything, so if you made $1000 for fighting you bring home $350, $10,000 for a fight you bring home $3500???? Hell it is crap only getting a 50/50 split. Now I am not saying everything Bas said is the truth or is a lie, but for all of you haters out there that really have no clue to the payment situation, maybe you should really look at all the stories and then read the Reems own statements again before you bring forth the hate

  33. aaxantonio says:

    who care’s about who screwed who, reem is garbage and so is golden glory, brock is gonna fuck him up

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