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LHW Division: Recycled | UFC NEWS

By: Edward Fernandez

On UFC on Fox 4 we saw Lyoto “The Dragon” Machida knockout Ryan Bader in the second round, while Mauricio “Shogun” Rua struggled to finish Brandon Vera via TKO in the fourth.

Dana White made it clear that the fighter who won in the most impressive fashion would be facing the winner of Jon Jones vs. Dan Henderson for the light heavyweight title.

However, fans have pointed out that Jon Jones already beat Machida, Bader, Rua, and Vera. In fact, he finished all four of those opponents in under three full rounds. Regardless, one of these fighters was promised a title shot with the champ. (Let’s just assume Jones beats Hendo for argument’s sake).

Fans seem to think that if Jones retains his title, Machida has “the best chance” out of everyone in the light heavyweight division of beating him. Sounds to me like Jones cleaned out the division and we’re just wishful thinking.

Dana White is trying to sell this fight in particular because Machida had the most success against Jones, actually hitting him a few times in the first round. Whoopdie Doo. Machida then proceeded to loose via unconsciousness in the second. That’s what you call a convincing victory, right? Apparently not.

Rematches are a tricky business. Anyone could beat anyone on any given night when you’re talking about the best in the world. Still, the UFC grants rematches for controversial decisions (Shogun vs Machida I), and nowadays they’re even granted for a champ that “believes” he won the fight (Edgar vs Benson). But what warrants a rematch? A close fight that ends up in a unanimous decision victory? Split decision? Flash KO? Unconsciousness?

Machida only had to fight one time before being granted a rematch, yet he didn’t even make it out of the second round with Jones. And let’s face it, if Bader didn’t beat an ailing Rampage, he wouldn’t even be considered a worthy opponent for the top 5 ranked former champ in Machida.

Machida basically did what the UFC wanted him to do, shoot a highlight reel KO finish to put on the next countdown episode opposite of Jones with that one cool sound effect. Boom.

Dana White has expressed his uncaring attitude towards fans not very excited with a Machida vs Jones rematch.

“Don’t watch it. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.”

We all know we’re going to buy it, but thanks for the heart warming words.

In a dream world I would like to see Machida vs Shogun III. Since they both won this past weekend, and with a close decision victory for Machida in their first fight, and a Shogun KO victory in their second bout, a third fight is a rematch that actually makes some sense.

And if Jon Jones beats Dan Henderson who does he fight? I would like to see him do a super fight at heavyweight if he’s not willing to wait for the winner of Machida vs Shogun III. I think he’d be up for the challenge and we would all like to see it happen.

Jones has expressed his disinterest in having to face an opponent he already beat via Twitter. Who could blame him? After beating someone so decisively, I don’t think it’s that fair to have to go through another grueling training camp, unmotivated and unexcited, just to give someone a “puncher’s chance” at your chin and belt so quickly.

At least make Machida fight a top 5 opponent or a fresh gun like Glover Teixeira or Alexander Gustafsson one more time before recycling the entire light heavyweight division again.

All in all, this is one division I don’t think has any recyclable material just quite yet.

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42 Comments to LHW Division: Recycled | UFC NEWS

  1. Macheetah says:

    it’s sad that everyone is already writing Dan Henderson off. That dude throws a mean right hand and has great wrestling. unbelievable

    • The truth is says:

      Dan will loose. His last fight he arguebly won and againts jake shields his “wreastlin” was neutrulized by a much smaller figther. You talk about a right hand. Shogun, mashida, evans all these guys have a way more diveres striking still that jones was able to beat. Hendo is done!

      • Wes says:

        You make no sense and you can’t spell.

        • brosef says:

          +1 MASHida

        • The truth is says:

          U dont know what you are talking about. Shields a small MW out grappled hendo, and you thing hendo can out grapple a big LHW? stupid. All u hoping for is a right hand. Go watch a bar fight

        • Rubberboy says:

          Glad to see that you know everything about the sport down to what the professional fighters are thinking as well as their game plan. Props to you for winning the entire internet. Now if only you knew how to spell words. Why you not know how to spell words?

    • poodledog says:

      the guy who wrote this article is a huge fucking goof, stop writting mma articles u fucking cunt, you don’t know shit about mma and u claim to know all the answers and what the fans want, speak for yourself jackass

      • trey says:

        the article was ON POINT! what did he say that was dumb? made perfect sense.

        • Shameful says:

          I concur. Machida vs. Shogun III makes a lot of sense. Meanwhile throw someone new at Jones even if they aren’t the #1 contender. Like Gustaffson or whoever. Doesn’t really matter who, just someone new. Or make the move to heavyweight we keep hearing about.

  2. ShotokanJJ says:

    Well, everybody has an opinion, and i respect yours, but i think Machida should get a tittle shot, i mean, he has one of the most unique styles in the history of the sport, and he is a bad match up for jones, like it or not. He made ryan bader look like an amateur, and bader is very talented, and machida toyed around with him. Now that machida moved to the US, he made a lot of changes in his life, and now being here, training with roger gracie, great wrestlers and strikers, training like a real champ, i think he has a great chance in beating jones. Rewatch the fight. All jones did was las 1 right hand, that didnt even hurt machida, take him down and grace him with one single cut, that opened machidas forhead, and after that the fight was done. Yes he tagged machida after the elbow, but clearly he was very hurt, probably couldnt see well, and got tagged and choked. I think it will be very intresting a second match, and i hope he wins. Although maybe we see him one more time, he said he doesnt mind fighting one more time before the tittle shot. Gustafsson, or rubber match with shogun?

    • What???? says:

      “All jones did was las 1 right hand, that didnt even hurt machida, take him down and grace him with one single cut, that opened machidas forhead, and after that the fight was done.”

      If YOU watch the fight again, you’ll see that Jones landed the hard right, which led to the takedown. Then, landed the hard left, which led to the choke. If that right “didn’t even hurt Machida,” how was Machida taken down so easily? He was hurt badly by that right! You should’ve noticed that in the first round, Jones failed to stay in the pocket when Machida moved inside. But, in the second round, Jones stayed in the pocket and fought, landing strikes on Machida and preventing Machida from landing is long jabs that he likes to use. Jones uses his long reach at distance and elbows along with short punches at short range. Machida had no answer after that and no game on the ground (is he a BJJ black belt?)

      Rubber match with Shogun would be great, like you said. I don’t know where Gustaffson fits into the LHW picture right now.

  3. ShotokanJJ says:

    Well, everybody has an opinion, and i respect yours, but i think Machida should get a tittle shot, i mean, he has one of the most unique styles in the history of the sport, and he is a bad match up for jones, like it or not. He made ryan bader look like an amateur, and bader is very talented, and machida toyed around with him. Now that machida moved to the US, he made a lot of changes in his life, and now being here, training with roger gracie, great wrestlers and strikers, training like a real champ, i think he has a great chance in beating jones. Rewatch the fight. All jones did was land 1 right hand, that didnt even hurt machida, take him down and grace him with one single elbow, that opened machidas forhead, and after that the fight was done. Yes he tagged machida after the elbow, but clearly he was very hurt, probably couldnt see well, and got tagged and choked. I think it will be very intresting a second match, and i hope he wins. Although maybe we see him one more time, he said he doesnt mind fighting one more time before the tittle shot. Gustafsson, or rubber match with shogun?

  4. Eric El Tigere says:

    I hope Machida takes his fist and make Jones look straight to Lyoto but, out cold, trying to catch a breath or if is Hendo then, good luck to Hendo and Lyoto 50/50.

  5. Me says:

    This article is completely true, Give Shogun/Machida another fight, See what happens on September 1st if Jones DOES beat Dan (I think a lot of people are counting him out) Jones should have a warm up fight at HW (That way he can stay active and have a taste at what is like to fight a bigger guy, Then square of the victor of Shogun/Machida with either Glover (If he beats Rampage) or Jones if Jones defends his belt once more & succeeds in his HW debut the UFC need to make him move up instead of keeping him at LWH (I believe they are keeping Jones at LWH because they are afraid to loose a star power because if he does move up he will have large harder and bigger challenges)

  6. A.James says:

    Machida is a karate master and should never be counted out. I’m expecting a totally different fight this time. If not Lyoto will go to middle weight. If DC drops to LHW Jones will be in for a real challenge.

  7. 123 says:

    The Truth Is Jon Jones Is The Real Deal, Im From England & I Dont Understand Why People In America Hate Him. Stop Being Negative & Watch Him Succeed, Hes Young Give Him A Break.

    • Yo papi says:

      +1 man Bones is a fucking monster. Coming into a division as packed as LHW and dominating all the contenders in devastating fashion. Hate on pointfighting, there’s actually sense in that.

    • brosef says:

      You are right, he is the real deal but he has a stupid attitude. Well I dislike him solely for one reason. He had/ has too much pride to sign little kids’ replica belts because he felt like he earned his and people shouldn’t be able to buy replica belts, so he decided not to sign his fans’ belts. Come on seriously? What a douche.

      I hope he chances his stance on this and lets go of his pride….for the children’s sake.

  8. Zack says:

    The only way jones is losing is by KO. He’s way to big. Hendo and machida have the best chance. Shogun has a chance but he’s way to small for jones. For now I’ll just pray for a h bomb.

  9. Nick says:

    Yeah, I love Dan. I just don’t see him beating Jones. Plus this rematch makes no sense. He beat Machida about as convincingly as possible. So there’s no one for Jones to fight in the LHW division anymore.

  10. the fuck? says:

    what kind of professional sports writer uses the phrase “whoopdie doo?” Like are you fucking kidding me? This website needs to hire people who don’t suck at writing articles.

    • so true says:

      what kind of article is this? i didnt know bjpenn.com has retards writing articles for them that would be published online for everyone to see. what a shame

  11. Sugar Ponybear says:

    First of all, journalists are supposed to be unbiased, this article however, was obviously written by a Jones nuthugger. What logic was used in writing this exactly? So, because you lose to the current champ, you’re S.O.L, you get no more title shots? That’s not how this business works. Machida did put up a good fight, and shit happens. Yeah he got caught, and next fight it could be Jones. Last I checked, the LHW division contained more than four fighters, it’s far from cleared out. And last note, I’m sick and fucking tired of hearing about Super-fights. It’s bad for the champs, it’s bad for business, not gonna happen. No champ is scared of any other, it’s just NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, it has nothing to do with anybody being scared of anybody.

  12. sean says:

    he couldnt say big fucking deal instead of whoopdie doo. most professional sports writers get facts wrong. i think that’s more of a worry. this guys facts are straight. i think you’re missing the point the entire article is making. his point is that machida didnt beat anyone good, bader lost to jones already and hasn’t beat anyone top 5! he won a decision against an unmotivated rampage and is getting basically an immediate rematch. the ufc put bader and vera in there for slaughter to sell a rematch with either shogun or machida. vera just came more prepared than bader. and if you lost the first fight so badly you cant just keep getting title shots until you get a lucky punch in. i bet if jones fought machida 10 times it would be close to 5 wins a piece depending on the judges and who was on which night. but the UFC is about what the fans want to see and of course the money. superfights are good for business because they attract large amounts of uneducated fans, much like yourselves! people buy title fights. and why wouldn’t you want to see a champion extend his reign? people will tune into that. that’s the whole point of a superfight is to combine two big names for big money like gsp vs silva, or jones vs jds!

    good article. i dont think you guys commenting are on the same level of fan.

    this is not biased for jones.

    this is biased for a champion that’s already beat everyone decisively by finishing them and worked hard to do so.

    • Sugar Ponybear says:

      Like I said, last time I checked, the division was still full. Yeah he’s won a couple fights, don’t mean he’s cleared it. I think Lyoto earned his rematch, he kicked ass the first fight and he will again, who knows he might even get the W. I can tell you he has a better shot than anyone else in that division. None of Lyotos hits were chance, he got caught, it happens. If Jones and Machida can split 5/5 in a series of 10, that makes 3 fights all the better. Can’t argue with Dana tossing Bader and Vera under the bus, neither one of em’ had much of a chance of winning. I’m shocked Vera did as well as he did. And Superfights, as lucrative as they would be, they would fuck up the flow of things. Someone has to win, someone has to lose, that’s the game. They don’t want their Champs losing unnecessary fights. GSP really is the only Champ that can be placed on the block due to inactivity and the undeniable ring rust. Silva is at the end of his career, no point in risking it. Jones has a certain…aura to him, as cocky as it may be. He can’t afford a loss either, specially not in a different division. JDS can afford a loss but who’s he gonna fight? Plus he still has a division to clear. Closest you’re going to get maybe Aldo vs. Edgar or Bendo (either would be intriguing).

      This sport doesn’t need ANYMORE fucking uneducated fans, Brock brought enough of those with him and unfortunetly, they stuck around longer than him. And what makes you Mr. Educated? Cause you agree with whats said in the article? So, everyone who doesn’t agree is uneducated. It is a very biased article, for Jones, the champ who HASN’T beaten everyone. No sayin’ he ain’t a hard worker, but he’s got a long way to go. His brother better put up half the effort he does (Still think Bill fucked up picking him).

  13. Troy boy says:

    They should of had reshad evans vs machida 2 instead of weak ass bader. Y the fuck is vera still in the ufc?

  14. brosef says:

    Man the writer(s) on this site are terrible. They give an opinion and present it as a fact.

    trash

  15. sean says:

    jones hasnt beaten anyone!? are you fucking retarded. he cleared the top 5. shogun, machida, rampage (before his loss to bader he was top 5), evans. the only people left after hendo are the sweed who hasnt beaten a top contender yet! you guys need to go look at your facts before you try and argue.

    those are the facts. jones has beat all of the fighters that were offered the opportunity for a title shot. how is that not a fact?!

    the ufc does need uneducated fans. thats what makes the sport grow worldwide. dont you want to see the sport get bigger? it’s already mainstream. why not continue on that path?

    uneducated fans that see a cool fight become educated fans. dont you want to see the next generation of fighters and fans. uneducated kids that are like 15 see a super fight on fox and wanna go train… who knows they could be the next champ.

    dont be narrow minded.

    and best chance!? thats the whole point! who cares if he has the best chance he already lost! theyre recycling the top 5 fighters over again. that’s not fair to jones. im not a nut hugger. he just beat everyone already. he doesnt DESERVE to have another chance to beat him.

    thats like saying bj penn beat joe daddy, so give joe a rematch just in case it was a fluke… he choked him out already!

    this sport is about risk. jones doesnt deserve to have to take a risk on the same opponent. just like silva doesnt deserve to take a risk in selecting his next opponent. but even chael had to fight a few more fukin times to get back to a title shot and that first fight was actually close. machida didnt even last 10 min!

    ps i bet the sweed or glover would beat machida.

    • Sugar Ponybear says:

      I didn’t say Jones hasn’t beaten anyone, I said Jones hasn’t beaten everyone. Reading comprehension 101. I am looking at the facts, you need to go back and read at what I read before you try and argue.

      And I’m not saying that’s not a fact, once again, I’m stating, not every single fighter in the Light Heavyweight division has gotten a title shot. Not every top contender has either, if there’s contenders that are a couple fights away from a title shot, cool, until they get their shot why not put the person in who has the best shot at beating Jones at the moment?

      And no, we don’t need uneducated fans. This sport is big enough as far as I’m concerned. It’s grown past what I feel it should of. That’s all I’m sayin’ about that.

      Best chance, you’re right, that’s exactly the point. How is it not fair to Jones? He got a chock after close fight so he shouldn’t have to fight him again? He’s a champ, he doesn’t get the easy fights. If Machida can give Jones a 5/5 out of 10 as you said, and no one else can, then Why shouldn’t Jones fight Machida. And your Joe Stevenson reference is irrelevant. Joe got dismantled by BJ, he has no shot at ever beating Penn. That’d be the equivalent of giving Maia another shot at Silva.

      He beat the four in that fight already, and Machida does deserve another shot, specially if he has the best shot at winning, that’s what this sport is about. This sport is about risk. Jones doesn’t get to pick his risk, he hasn’t earned his due. If his most likely opponent and best competition for him, he’s already beat, then he’ll fight them again, it’s his job. And Silva does deserve to pick his fights. He’s been fighting for years and he’s destroyed everyone put in front of him in the UFC. He’s a few fights from retirement, why shouldn’t he choose the last few fights? He wants the best fights, what’s wrong with that? Call me when Jones breaks Silva’s records, then we’ll have this conversation again.

      P.S, Glover/Machida would be an awesome fight but it’ll never happen.

      This whole argument will be mute though when Machida wins the belt.

      • Shameful says:

        I have to agree with Sean that “uneducated” fans are desirable. Any fan of mma in general and UFC in particular should want the casual fanbase to grow to the point where UFC cards get enough ratings on prime time cable(or, dare to dream, network television) that ppv cards become a thing of the past. You want athletic kids aspiring to be mma fighters.
        If casual fans lose interest in watching mma fights the sport will decline like boxing. People will complain about a dearth of talented prospects because kids don’t grow up wanting to fight in the mma and we’ll have to watch mma fights on friday nights on ESPN Ocho with commercials for Brazilian beer in Portuguese.

  16. Xaninhos Daddy says:

    The person who wrote this article is a fucking idiot. nuff said

  17. Jsilva says:

    You guys are machida nut huggers. Dude no one gets to fight the whole division, what about Weidman and shit. Silva hasn’t beaten everyone but he still gets to pick. Jones is on a 1928202 fight win streak, is sponsored by the UFC and now Nike…. He for sure gets to pick his risk in shit, this machida fight if he takes it is gonna be worth huge $$$$ cause he doesn’t want it so they’re gonna throw money at it cause there’s no one else for him to fight until the Swedish dude is ready for a shot. I think his match ups make sense this ain’t tryin to be thought of as a fact article it’s his matches he wants to see. Fukin jones and Cormier would be a sick one

    • Sugar Ponybear says:

      LMFAO, when Jones beats Silva’s records, then open your mouth. I’m not a Lyoto nuthugger, I’m a fan, I want to see the best fights and I want to see the champs tested Silva has destroyed or embarrassed everyone the UFC has put in front of him. He destroyed Franklin in his prime, twice, that speaks loudly enough. JBJ still has a long road ahead of him, so no, he doesn’t get to pick. Anderson has more than paid his dues and is near retirement. Jones is on an eight fight win streak and has defended his title 3 times. Anderson is on a 16 fight win streak (2X’s Jones), 15 in the UFC (for the record), and defended his title 10 times (another record). Shut your fucking mouth lol.

      • Jsilva says:

        yah and anderson has gotten to pick his fights since having a 5 fight win streak. shut your fuckin mouth you dont know shit how the business works. its all setup to benefit the ufc and their prized pony aka silva or jones. its all about making money. nice google usage for the facts btw. franklin never beat anyone good btw inn his prime good one. silva was the first real 185 er. franklin and chris leben were the only “stars” at the time once he beat those two guys they gave him some underserving matchups. travis, maia, 205 sandman, see how it works. its all a business. get with it

        • Sugar Ponybear says:

          Obviously it’s a business, every sport out there is about business. Lol, don’t know how the business works? I know exactly how it works. Lol googleing facts? You don’t have to google stats, if you don’t know em’ you’re not a fan. Franklin never beat anyone? Franklin and Tanner were probably two of the greatest middleweights at their time. Tanner probably still would be today if he weren’t dead. Silva chocked out Henderson, you know, the same Henderson fighting Jones. Let me guess, Henderson wasn’t shit? Sonnen, Belfort, Okami? Maia was supposed to be Silva’s kryptonite, and what did Silva do? Literally ran circles around him. But Maia wasn’t ready for a shot and couldn’t hang with the champ, guess what, neither can Weidman. What’s the point of a repeat. But all this is moot. Once again, we’ll have this conversation when/if Jones beats Silvas records. Until then, none of this even matters. Jones is a long stretch behind Silva. When he wins 8 more fights and defends 7-8 more times, we’ll talk. Til then, your arguments lack substance.

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